How did the drugs work for you? How did they make it possible to eat less? Was it cutting food noise, or just feeling like you're satisfied with less, or different foods? (Those are the 2 most common things I hear.)

Congratulations! And I didn't know intake forms had that choice, but I talk to people all the time who now fall into that category.

From here on in, though, we won't be able to tell whether those measures work. Obesity will start ticking down because of the new drugs. Those drugs work WAY better than taxes, labels etc. They're starting to go generic, and everyone will have access to them fairly soon.

I think you mean FTC

Aw cmon Alex. We know that meals that have turkey and mashed potatoes and cookies are different from meals that have eggs and bananas and cheese in many, many ways. You even said that was part of the point!

You are making my point for me! Science 101: if you want to find out the impact of a variable, change ONLY THAT VARIABLE. If you change a whole bunch of things, it doesn't mean you can generalize across all UPFs, it means the study doesn't tell you about degree of processing.

I think I've been clear that my issue is that there are many differences between the 2 meals. I also called the energy density issue a detail. So you can engage with my actual criticism, or argue with something I didn't say. Your choice.

Right. But there are a zillion differences in those 2 meals besides degree of processing. Why not UPF vs non-UPF: whole wheat bread, jam, peanut butter, milk, potato chips, etc, where the foods are very similar except degree of processing.

Yes. It's not a lot. But it sure is kloodgy, and is not the same as actually controlling for energy density.

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