#Moderator:
Michael Lissack, Executive Director of the Second Order Science Foundation; Former President of the American Society for Cybernetics.
#Panelists:
Richard Hsu, Dean of the School of Design at Shanghai University of Engineering Science.

#Moderator:
Michael Lissack, Executive Director of the Second Order Science Foundation; Former President of the American Society for Cybernetics.
#Panelists:
Richard Hsu, Dean of the School of Design at Shanghai University of Engineering Science.